戏剧改革从何说起丁西(以下简称T):随着媒体扩张、网络侵蚀,许多文学艺术门类正在走向边缘,您如何看待眼下的戏剧发展?葛剑雄(以下简称葛):在选择性很多的情况下,就要看政府、社会怎样影响和引导文化,把它放在什么样的地位上。像日本,早已将传统的歌舞伎、“能”定为国宝,很重视。他们定为国宝的,第一是政府扶植、企业资助;第二,它们的任务不是改革,不是适应社会的需要,而是保存。而我们却什么东西都要改革。像京剧、昆曲,它们永远是落后的, Speaking of drama reform, Ding Xi (hereinafter referred to as T): With the expansion of the media, the Internet erosion, many literary arts are on the brink of being marginalized. What do you think of the immediate drama development? Ge Jianxiong: Under the circumstances, we must look at the government, society, how to influence and guide the culture, put it in what position. Like Japan, has long been the traditional kabuki, “can” as a national treasure, very seriously. They are regarded as national treasures. The first is government support and enterprise funding. Second, their task is not to reform, not to meet the needs of society, but to save. And we have to reform anything. Like Beijing Opera, Kun Opera, they are always backward,