我说的是我们通常意义上的散文,那种最明显区别小说和诗的东西。它好像没什么特征,我们往往只能用“不是什么”来说明它是什么。我想,这大概是因为,它其实是文学创作中最接近于天然的缘故。它完全不通过虚构的形式。我以为小说和诗都是虚构的产物,前者是情节的虚构,后者是语言 What I’m talking about is our usual sense of prose, the most obvious difference between fiction and poetry. It doesn’t seem to be characteristic. We often only use “not what” to explain what it is. I think this is probably because it is actually the closest thing to natural in literary creation. It does not pass the fictional form at all. I think that fiction and poetry are fictional products. The former is the fictional plot, the latter is the language.