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海西女真人是否只有四部,是值得疑问的。在《李朝实录》中看到与海西四部同时生活在松花江流域的女真人还有一些部落,比如同样强大和活跃的“老土”部落,在《清太祖实录》中却只字不提,而且老土还与努尔哈赤联系密切,有儿女姻亲联系等。《清实录》为什么不记载老土部落呢?当然在《李朝实录》的记载中,靠近李朝边境的许多部落很活跃,有的也很强大,他们在《清实录》中也只是一次次接收而已,那样软弱和被动。只有在《李朝实录》中看到他们一部分跳跃的身影。这一切证明《清实录》只能看成努尔哈赤的武功录,而不能当作明末女真社会的实录。
Hercynian really only four people, is questionable. In the “Li Dynasty Record”, there are still some tribes of Nuzhen people living in the Songhua River with the Hercynian four, such as the equally powerful and active “Laotu” tribe. In the “Record of the Qing Taizu” Do not mention the word, and the old land also closely linked with Nurhachi, there are children, marriage and so on. Of course, in the records of “Li Dynasty Record,” many tribes near the border with Li Dynasty are active and some are very powerful. They are only one time in Qing Dynasty Record Received it, so weak and passive. Only in the “Li Dynasty Record” to see some of them jumping figure. All this proves that “Clear Record” can only be seen as Nurhaci's martial arts record, and can not be used as a real record of Jurchen society.