2004年2月23日,围绕马克思思想的生态维度,两位作者在美国加州地区太平洋广播电台《格格不入》(Against the Grain)节目中进行了深入交谈。2011年,本访谈被收入《资本及其不满者:与混乱时代的激进思想家们对话》一书,并有所扩充和修改。福斯特阐明了马克思与启蒙运动之间复杂的辩证关系,指出马克思坚持唯物主义、反对目的论,通过代谢断裂、异化(包括劳动的异化和自然的异化)和对马尔萨斯人口增长理论的反对来探讨生态问题,并认为环境恶化与环境正义和社会正义问题是紧密联系在一起的。 On February 23, 2004, focusing on the ecological dimension of Marx’s thought, the two authors had an in-depth conversation on the Pacific Radio’s “Against the Grain” program in California. In 2011, the interview was included in the book “Capital and its Dissatisfaction: Dialogue with Radical Thinkers in a Time of Confusion” and was expanded and revised. Foster illustrates the complicated dialectical relationship between Marx and the Enlightenment, points out that Marx adhered to materialism and opposed Skopos theory. Through the disruption of metabolism, alienation (including labor alienation and natural alienation) and opposition to the Malthusian population growth theory, Explores ecological issues and believes that environmental degradation is closely linked with environmental justice and social justice issues.