王万牢(以下简称王):请问荣总,你对企业家和职业经理人有何看法? 荣海(以下简称荣):企业家这个概念在中国已深入人心,但企业家实际上在中国有两种形式:一种是国有企业的经营者,这类企业家实质上大多是政府官员,他们有行政级别,有国家规定的各种待遇,可以升迁,可以异地做官;另一种是改革开放后崛起的一大批民营企业家,他们才是真正市场意义上的企业家。他们大多从零起步,经过了艰难的原始积累阶段,企业得到了发展,但随着企业的进一步壮大,仅依靠当初的胆量和热情,已很难使企 Wang Wanrong (hereinafter referred to as Wang): May I ask you, what do you think of entrepreneurs and professional managers? Ronghai (hereinafter referred to as Rong): The concept of entrepreneurs has been deeply rooted in China, but entrepreneurs are actually in China There are two forms: one is the operator of state-owned enterprises, most of these entrepreneurs are government officials, they have the administrative level, with various provisions of the state treatment, promotion can be off-site officials; the other is After the reform and opening up a large number of private entrepreneurs, they are real market sense entrepreneurs. Most of them started from scratch, and after a period of primitive primitive accumulation, enterprises developed. However, with the further expansion of the enterprise, relying solely on their initial courage and enthusiasm has made it very difficult for enterprises