记者:当知识分子宣扬大众文化时,会不会是以此来反对中国官本位的政治体制权力,而是以大众的代言人身份重新获得知识霸权的一个阴谋? 孙振华:我觉得我们谈大众文化的时候,会遇到知识分子和大众趣味的关系问题,我以为谈大众文化应该有一个前提,在于知识分子首先要消解精英主义情结,否则拥有话语权的知识分子与大众在文化的发言权上是不对等的。现在有很多理论家、思想家,比如福科,希望重新定位知识分子,知识分子不要凌驾在民众之上,知识分子和一般的工匠一样,就是一种职业。现在大家很关注公共知识分子这个概念,公共知识分子和传统的精英知识 Reporter: When intellectuals preach mass culture, will they oppose the political power of the Chinese government as the standard of their own, but rather as a conspiracy to regain knowledge hegemony as a spokesman for the masses? Sun Zhenhua: I think we talk about mass culture At that time, I encountered the problem of the relationship between the intellectuals and the public interest. I think there should be a premise on mass culture in that intellectuals must first dissolve the elitism complex. Otherwise, the intellectuals who have the right to speak and the public have the right to speak in culture Not equal. There are now many theorists and thinkers, such as Foucault, who want to reposition their intellectuals not overriding the masses. Intellectuals, like ordinary artisans, are occupations. Now everyone is very concerned about the concept of public intellectuals, public intellectuals and traditional elite knowledge