让—克罗德·高概先生是法国巴黎第八大学文学系教授，著名符号学家，著作有《文学符号学》、《符号学巴黎学派》、《话语及其主体》、《意义的探索》等。本文是他与中国学者王东亮先生谈话录的第二部分，他们的讨论涉及了当代人文思想的许多重要概念和问题。因文章篇幅较长，我们分为两期刊载。 Jean-Claude Gaubei is a professor of literature and famous semiotics at the Eighth University of Paris in France. He is the author of “Literary Semiotics”, “Semiotics Parisian”, “Discourse and Its Subjects,” and Its Significance "Wait. This article is the second part of his conversation with Mr. Wang Dongliang, a scholar in China, whose discussions covered many important concepts and issues of contemporary humanistic thinking. Due to the length of the article, we are divided into two issues.