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由马特·达蒙(Matt Damon)和本·阿弗莱克(Ben Affleck)共编共演的奥斯卡最佳原创剧本的《心灵捕手》(Good Will Hunting)，令他们两人一夜成名。然而他们都说，是他令他们爱上了戏剧并决定投身演艺事业。这两位实力派的好莱坞演员，均师承同一位戏剧恩师——格里·斯配卡(Gerry Speca)。
Q: When you began teaching, what were your goals? How did those goals change over time?
问：你刚开始教书的时候，目标是什么？这些目标是如何随着时间推移而改变的？
Gerry: I graduated from college in 1969, and so, you know, everything history says about that is wrong, except for there was this notion that one could in fact change the world, that there were other ways to live other than what had been commonly accepted. And so that kind of fit in. It was just like, “This is a really cool thing to do, that you can take people’s dreams and you can provide them with encouragement, and you can, in fact, begin them on that path to realizing the things they dream for themselves.” I think as I started to work in the field of education, those are all valuable and 2)lofty goals, but I think what I learned was there were some smaller, narrower objectives that had to be achieved first – that you had to, for example, it’s one of those 3)buzz words that I hate, but I’ll use, that you had to “empower” people. You had to create the notion in somebody’s head that anything they thought was possible, was in fact possible if they marshaled their resources to 4)bring it about. It’s like, what kind of person are you going to be? How are you gonna treat your next-door neighbor? How are you gonna execute whatever work it is you’re gonna do, whether you’re gonna be a mechanic or a college professor? There’s a way in which you can conduct yourself in those enterprises that benefits all of us and 5)virtually changes the way we look at the world.
Q: Those are lofty goals. How can you achieve them in a drama class?
问：那些都是挺崇高的目标。你怎么通过戏剧课实现呢？
Gerry: First of all, I think you can achieve those ends through any 6)discipline, because I think the lessons are learned in the process rather than the content. If you look at drama, and if you look at, say, language and literature, well, first of all, we all share the language in common, so first of all it’s the way in which we communicate. So if I’m an English teacher, what I’m doing is I’m enhancing your ability to communicate to your fellow human being, or at least your fellow American English-speaking human being and that’s the beginning of any kind of language study for English-speaking people. Drama is just…theater; my feeling is everybody should take theater, 7)period, 8)hands down. Because, what it does is, it speaks to the whole person. And I used to say to them a simple thing, you know: you’re gonna step out on stage performing a 9)theatrical piece that you’ve worked on for six weeks. You’re gonna perform it for 1,200 strangers, you know, people who don’t know you, and the only thing they’re gonna know about you at the end of 40 minutes is what this work says about you. So what kind of 10)state-ment do you wanna make? Who do you wanna be to these strangers, which is the life question, isn’t it?
Gerry: I’ll claim this credit: If they come to you and say, “Man, my high school drama experience was so good. It enlightened me, it made me...” I’ll 11)take credit for that. I will accept that as a statement of my value as a teacher, ’cause that’s what I set out to do. I set out to give them some skills, I set out to give them some confidence, or to help them – not to give them, I didn’t 12)confer anything on them – I set out to help them achieve that dream. They wanted the confidence; they wanted to know that they could hang in Hollywood if they went. So, what’s the 13)parting shot that you say to a senior that you care about deeply? You know, you say, “Hey, you want this dream? You can have it. You can do this, and here’s why. Here’s what you know how to do. Here’s where your energy is.” And so Ben Affleck has told people that that was the moment that 14)solidified the whole thing for him. He says it changed his life. I hope that’s true, because it makes me feel great. I tend to think there were some other things that that played into his continuing to do what he did, but that’s a perfect teacher’s moment.
格里：我1969年从大学毕业，所以，你知道的，历史上对于那个时代的事物都是持否定态度的，有一个观点例外：人们的确可以改变世界，而且能以异于传统的其它方式生活。所以这个差不多算是我的目标。这就好像是说：“这是非常棒的事情——你可以了解人们的梦想，你可以鼓励他们，而且你真的可以协助他们踏上梦想成真的道路。”我想自从我开始从事教育工作以来，那些都是非常珍贵崇高的目标；然而我想我后来意识到，需要先实现一些更小、更细的目标——你必须，好吧，举例来说，这是一个我讨厌的时髦字眼，但我在这里要用一下，即你必须“激发”人们。你要往他们的脑子里灌输一个观点，即他们认为可能的东西确实是可以实现的，如果他们能运用身边资源往这个方向努力，梦想真的是可以实现的。这就好像是说，你想成为什么样的人？你会怎样对待隔壁邻居？无论你要成为机械师还是大学教授，你将如何完成你的工作？其实的确有办法使你在这些事业中惠及大众，从真正意义上改变我们看待世界的方式。
格里：首先，我认为你可以通过任何学科达到那些目标，因为我觉得这些道理是在学习过程中而非从学习内容本身习得的。以戏剧为例，来看一下，例如语言和文学，呃，首先我们共用同一种语言，所以首先这是我们沟通的方式。所以如果我是一名英语老师，我要做的就是加强你与其他人的交流能力，或者至少是你与其他说英语的美国人之间的交流能力，这是所有说英语者学习语言的开端。戏剧就是……戏剧；我觉得每个人都该修读戏剧课，就是这样，毫无疑问。因为舞台能充分展现你整个人。你知道吗，我也常跟他们说一个简单的事实：你登上舞台，表演一出你已经排练了六周的戏。你将表演给1200个陌生人看，要知道，这些人并不认识你，在40分钟的演出结束后，他们对你的所有了解仅是通过你对作品的演绎。所以你想要表达些什么？你希望在那些陌生人面前呈现怎样的自己？这些不也是人生要思考的问题吗？
格里：我会欣然接受。如果他们对你说，“天哪，我高中的戏剧课太棒了。戏剧课给了我启迪，让我……”我觉得这些赞许是应得的。我把这些看成对我作为一名教师的价值的认可，因为这正是我自始至终要做的事。我的初衷就是要给予他们技能，我要给他们自信，或者应该说帮助——而非给与，我无法授予他们任何东西——但我要帮助他们实现梦想。他们需要信心；他们需要知道若进入好莱坞，他们能够获得一席之地。那么，你会给自己特别关心的毕业生怎样的临别赠言？你知道，你会说，“嘿，你有这个梦想吗？你可以实现的。你可以做到这点，理由是这样的。你知道你可以这样做。你的能力在于此。”所以后来本·阿弗莱克告诉人们，正是那个时刻肯定了他的决心。他说这改变了他的一生。我希望这是真的，因为这让我感觉好极了。我会想，应当还有些其它的事情激励他坚持下来，但是，（他说那番话时，）那真是每个教师梦寐以求的时刻。
翻译：王静燕
Q: When you began teaching, what were your goals? How did those goals change over time?
问：你刚开始教书的时候，目标是什么？这些目标是如何随着时间推移而改变的？
Gerry: I graduated from college in 1969, and so, you know, everything history says about that is wrong, except for there was this notion that one could in fact change the world, that there were other ways to live other than what had been commonly accepted. And so that kind of fit in. It was just like, “This is a really cool thing to do, that you can take people’s dreams and you can provide them with encouragement, and you can, in fact, begin them on that path to realizing the things they dream for themselves.” I think as I started to work in the field of education, those are all valuable and 2)lofty goals, but I think what I learned was there were some smaller, narrower objectives that had to be achieved first – that you had to, for example, it’s one of those 3)buzz words that I hate, but I’ll use, that you had to “empower” people. You had to create the notion in somebody’s head that anything they thought was possible, was in fact possible if they marshaled their resources to 4)bring it about. It’s like, what kind of person are you going to be? How are you gonna treat your next-door neighbor? How are you gonna execute whatever work it is you’re gonna do, whether you’re gonna be a mechanic or a college professor? There’s a way in which you can conduct yourself in those enterprises that benefits all of us and 5)virtually changes the way we look at the world.
Q: Those are lofty goals. How can you achieve them in a drama class?
问：那些都是挺崇高的目标。你怎么通过戏剧课实现呢？
Gerry: First of all, I think you can achieve those ends through any 6)discipline, because I think the lessons are learned in the process rather than the content. If you look at drama, and if you look at, say, language and literature, well, first of all, we all share the language in common, so first of all it’s the way in which we communicate. So if I’m an English teacher, what I’m doing is I’m enhancing your ability to communicate to your fellow human being, or at least your fellow American English-speaking human being and that’s the beginning of any kind of language study for English-speaking people. Drama is just…theater; my feeling is everybody should take theater, 7)period, 8)hands down. Because, what it does is, it speaks to the whole person. And I used to say to them a simple thing, you know: you’re gonna step out on stage performing a 9)theatrical piece that you’ve worked on for six weeks. You’re gonna perform it for 1,200 strangers, you know, people who don’t know you, and the only thing they’re gonna know about you at the end of 40 minutes is what this work says about you. So what kind of 10)state-ment do you wanna make? Who do you wanna be to these strangers, which is the life question, isn’t it?
Gerry: I’ll claim this credit: If they come to you and say, “Man, my high school drama experience was so good. It enlightened me, it made me...” I’ll 11)take credit for that. I will accept that as a statement of my value as a teacher, ’cause that’s what I set out to do. I set out to give them some skills, I set out to give them some confidence, or to help them – not to give them, I didn’t 12)confer anything on them – I set out to help them achieve that dream. They wanted the confidence; they wanted to know that they could hang in Hollywood if they went. So, what’s the 13)parting shot that you say to a senior that you care about deeply? You know, you say, “Hey, you want this dream? You can have it. You can do this, and here’s why. Here’s what you know how to do. Here’s where your energy is.” And so Ben Affleck has told people that that was the moment that 14)solidified the whole thing for him. He says it changed his life. I hope that’s true, because it makes me feel great. I tend to think there were some other things that that played into his continuing to do what he did, but that’s a perfect teacher’s moment.
格里：我1969年从大学毕业，所以，你知道的，历史上对于那个时代的事物都是持否定态度的，有一个观点例外：人们的确可以改变世界，而且能以异于传统的其它方式生活。所以这个差不多算是我的目标。这就好像是说：“这是非常棒的事情——你可以了解人们的梦想，你可以鼓励他们，而且你真的可以协助他们踏上梦想成真的道路。”我想自从我开始从事教育工作以来，那些都是非常珍贵崇高的目标；然而我想我后来意识到，需要先实现一些更小、更细的目标——你必须，好吧，举例来说，这是一个我讨厌的时髦字眼，但我在这里要用一下，即你必须“激发”人们。你要往他们的脑子里灌输一个观点，即他们认为可能的东西确实是可以实现的，如果他们能运用身边资源往这个方向努力，梦想真的是可以实现的。这就好像是说，你想成为什么样的人？你会怎样对待隔壁邻居？无论你要成为机械师还是大学教授，你将如何完成你的工作？其实的确有办法使你在这些事业中惠及大众，从真正意义上改变我们看待世界的方式。
格里：首先，我认为你可以通过任何学科达到那些目标，因为我觉得这些道理是在学习过程中而非从学习内容本身习得的。以戏剧为例，来看一下，例如语言和文学，呃，首先我们共用同一种语言，所以首先这是我们沟通的方式。所以如果我是一名英语老师，我要做的就是加强你与其他人的交流能力，或者至少是你与其他说英语的美国人之间的交流能力，这是所有说英语者学习语言的开端。戏剧就是……戏剧；我觉得每个人都该修读戏剧课，就是这样，毫无疑问。因为舞台能充分展现你整个人。你知道吗，我也常跟他们说一个简单的事实：你登上舞台，表演一出你已经排练了六周的戏。你将表演给1200个陌生人看，要知道，这些人并不认识你，在40分钟的演出结束后，他们对你的所有了解仅是通过你对作品的演绎。所以你想要表达些什么？你希望在那些陌生人面前呈现怎样的自己？这些不也是人生要思考的问题吗？
格里：我会欣然接受。如果他们对你说，“天哪，我高中的戏剧课太棒了。戏剧课给了我启迪，让我……”我觉得这些赞许是应得的。我把这些看成对我作为一名教师的价值的认可，因为这正是我自始至终要做的事。我的初衷就是要给予他们技能，我要给他们自信，或者应该说帮助——而非给与，我无法授予他们任何东西——但我要帮助他们实现梦想。他们需要信心；他们需要知道若进入好莱坞，他们能够获得一席之地。那么，你会给自己特别关心的毕业生怎样的临别赠言？你知道，你会说，“嘿，你有这个梦想吗？你可以实现的。你可以做到这点，理由是这样的。你知道你可以这样做。你的能力在于此。”所以后来本·阿弗莱克告诉人们，正是那个时刻肯定了他的决心。他说这改变了他的一生。我希望这是真的，因为这让我感觉好极了。我会想，应当还有些其它的事情激励他坚持下来，但是，（他说那番话时，）那真是每个教师梦寐以求的时刻。
翻译：王静燕